Our guests this week are Dr. Mandy Savitz-Romer and Dr. Heather Rowan-Kenyon. Dr. Savitz-Romer is the Nancy Pforzheimer Aronson Senior Lecturer in Human Development and Education at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. She is also the faculty lead of the school counseling strand of the Human Development and Education program. Dr. Heather Rowan-Kenyon is professor and chair of the Department of Educational Leadership and Higher Education in the Lynch School of Education and Human Development at Boston College. Their paper, "School Counselors and College Counseling During the COVID-19 Pandemic" was published in latest issue of The Review of Higher Education. They joined us to discuss how the covid-19 pandemic has shifted how school counselors focus their work, and the state of the profession today.